[slbnet] Re: slbnet Digest, Vol 6, Issue 3

[Jeff Bilsky]

Since I have an opinion, I thought I'd share it. I am new to the lists -
found you all in the past 6 months or so and got a good summary of all the
options. I tend to agree with Tim that one list probably makes the most
sense. Anyone who is a serious enough birder to be signed up to a listserv
is probably serious enough to be interested in what's going on all over the
state. Anyone who is signing up for listservs is also no stranger to
clicking delete when they don't want to save an email. I know I do. I mean
how many people are only subscribed to one list? I think that answers your
question right there. If most people are signed up for multiple lists then
you might as well consolidate them anyway. If they aren't then I'm sure they
wouldn't mind get details from the rest of the state. The net vs. talk
concept is good in theory but then that brings up a whole level of what is
considered rare - and everyone would have a different opinion there. I say
throw it all in the same pot.

Jeff Bilsky
Jbilsky at gmail.com
Salt Lake


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> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:08:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Milt Moody <miltonmoody at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [slbnet] Local Listservs
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> Greetings,
>
> Tim asked the question (possibly rhetorical) about why we have some
> many listserv in Utah.  Here's an answer that could possibly explain to
> some degree.
>
> The local listservs were created to handle information about local
> events,  field trips, announcements, questions as well as good (but
> maybe not GREAT) birds, that may not be quite appropriate to send to a
> state-wide audience.
>
> Let's take the Salt Lake Birdnet for example (which is where I'm
> sending this message).  If you want to remind people of a Great Salt
> Lake Audubon meeting, field trip or special event -- you can send the
> message to slbirdnet at utahbirds.org.  If you want to ask questions about
> getting a ride or offering a ride, it may be more appropriate to do
> that locally (though I'm sure people around the state would mind too
> much getting local-type email -- they can just delete them -- no big
> deal), or if you have a question about local events or whether a
> birding place is presently accessible or something like that, the local
> "hotline" may be just the thing.
>
> The "Salt Lake birdnet" hasn't been used to a great degree to this
> point, but it's there with its 131 signed-up members and has the
> potential of being very useful if birders want to take advantage of it.
>
> Good birding,
> Milt Moody
> utahbirds.org webmaster
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:46:31 -0700
> From: "Tim Avery" <tanager at timaverybirding.com>
> Subject: Re: [slbnet] Local Listservs
> To: "Milt Moody" <miltonmoody at yahoo.com>, <slbnet at utahbirds.org>
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> I wasn't asking why we have 6 lists, I know your reasoning, and I simply
> disagree with it.  You think this is some great tool, if it was it would
> have been used in the past, but it hasn't been.  It's quite obviously, NOT
> NEEDED.
>
> The whole point is that Utah is not large enough to NEED 6 listservs.  The
> first problem as I have mentioned to you in the past Milt, is that with
> the
> first two lists, BIRDNET and BIRDTALK.  Great, we have a list for posting
> rarities and a list for posting other sightings.  Go look at the archives
> and see how screwed up that is.  Just
> yesterday you forwarded a picture of a House Sparrow to the birdnet list.
> Why?  That isn't what that list is for.  People post about American
> Goldfinch, and Mallard, and common backyard birds to that list. I sent out
> an email sevearl months ago about this, and the next 4 posts by others
> were
> to the wrong lists...
>
> Then you have 4 local lists.  I don't think there has been a serious post
> to
> the Moab list... ever.  A few, 2 or 3 use the Red Cliffs, once in a while.
> There are generally 10-20 a month on the Utah County list, and the Salt
> Lake
> list hasn't had a serious post in 2 years.  Now you have created a 6th
> list
> with "the top'o'utah" list, that has quite a number of people posting to
> it
> now... instead of birdtalk or birdnet, so now I have to waste my time to
> look and see what they have seen on their list.  Utah has no need for
> anymore than 1 (one) listserv.  We don't need this birdtalk and birdnet
> stuff because it doesn't work with so few birders, and less using them to
> post as is.  Add in the local lists and now we have a disjointed system
> that
> doesn't spread information in an easy way.  We spread out information
> across
> 6 lists.  I don't want to be on 6 different listservs just to hear whats
> being seen around Utah, I also don't want to have to post to 6 different
> lists depending on where I went birding this morning.
>
> You can make any argument you want for having so many lists, but it is
> obvious that THERE IS NO NEED FOR THEM. So because of this I am done
> posting
> to any of them besides the Salt Lake list, I won't bother sharing my
> sightings with anyone outside of the valley or those on the list.  If you
> think having 6 lists is easier and better than having 1, then I don't even
> know what to say, because it is a bad system as it sits right now. Whats
> next, a Davis County listserv, the West Desert, the Uintah Basin? It's
> overkill.
>
> Let's get rid of all the local lists, kill birdtalk and have one list, the
> UTAH list, we are one state, so why are we separated into a bunch of
> little
> sects of birders?  Let's share information across the spectrum, instead of
> making it as difficult as possible as it currently is.
>
> peace
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Milt Moody" <miltonmoody at yahoo.com>
> To: <slbnet at utahbirds.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:08 PM
> Subject: [slbnet] Local Listservs
>
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Tim asked the question (possibly rhetorical) about why we have some
> > many listserv in Utah.  Here's an answer that could possibly explain to
> > some degree.
> >
> > The local listservs were created to handle information about local
> > events,  field trips, announcements, questions as well as good (but
> > maybe not GREAT) birds, that may not be quite appropriate to send to a
> > state-wide audience.
> >
> > Let's take the Salt Lake Birdnet for example (which is where I'm
> > sending this message).  If you want to remind people of a Great Salt
> > Lake Audubon meeting, field trip or special event -- you can send the
> > message to slbirdnet at utahbirds.org.  If you want to ask questions about
> > getting a ride or offering a ride, it may be more appropriate to do
> > that locally (though I'm sure people around the state would mind too
> > much getting local-type email -- they can just delete them -- no big
> > deal), or if you have a question about local events or whether a
> > birding place is presently accessible or something like that, the local
> > "hotline" may be just the thing.
> >
> > The "Salt Lake birdnet" hasn't been used to a great degree to this
> > point, but it's there with its 131 signed-up members and has the
> > potential of being very useful if birders want to take advantage of it.
> >
> > Good birding,
> > Milt Moody
> > utahbirds.org webmaster
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:08:57 -0700
> From: "Tim Avery" <tanager at timaverybirding.com>
> Subject: [slbnet] LBBG's, Glaucous and Thayers as well
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> Yesterday I helped with the Great Salt Lake Audubon field trip to Decker
> Lake and Lee Kay Ponds.  Decker lake was covered with gulls, 900 was a rough
> count with about 1/2 California and 1/2 Ring-billed.  There were 5 Herring
> Gulls mixed in as well.  Pomera Fronce spotted a WILSON'S SNIPE on the far
> end of the lake feeding near some waterfowl.
>
> At Lee Kay Ponds there was also a nice flock of gulls on the ice.  From
> the observation deck/gazebo several of us were able to get pretty good looks
> at 2 - 1st winter LESSER BLACK-BACKED GULLS, as well as sevearl THAYER'S
> GULLS.  A Harrier flushed all the birds, and a beautiful 1st winter GLAUCOUS
> GULL flew past and circled a couple times before heading off to the dump.
>  Unfortunatley, most of the group hadn't arrived yet and missed out.
>
> On the west end of the main pond where the water remains open, one of the
> LBBG's decided to hang out for a while, as well as 4 - 1st winter THAYER'S
> GULLS.
>
> A few of us headed to Lake Park afterwards to see if any geese were
> around.  None were, but 2 Pied-billed Grebes were on the small "creek" that
> runs through the golf course.
>
> Good Birding
>
> Tim
> Salt Lake City, Utah
> tanager at timaverybirding.com
> http://www.timaverybirding.com
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