[slbnet] Local Listservs

[Tim Avery]

I wasn't asking why we have 6 lists, I know your reasoning, and I simply 
disagree with it.  You think this is some great tool, if it was it would 
have been used in the past, but it hasn't been.  It's quite obviously, NOT 
NEEDED.

The whole point is that Utah is not large enough to NEED 6 listservs.  The 
first problem as I have mentioned to you in the past Milt, is that with the 
first two lists, BIRDNET and BIRDTALK.  Great, we have a list for posting 
rarities and a list for posting other sightings.  Go look at the archives 
and see how screwed up that is.  Just
yesterday you forwarded a picture of a House Sparrow to the birdnet list. 
Why?  That isn't what that list is for.  People post about American 
Goldfinch, and Mallard, and common backyard birds to that list. I sent out 
an email sevearl months ago about this, and the next 4 posts by others were 
to the wrong lists...

Then you have 4 local lists.  I don't think there has been a serious post to 
the Moab list... ever.  A few, 2 or 3 use the Red Cliffs, once in a while. 
There are generally 10-20 a month on the Utah County list, and the Salt Lake 
list hasn't had a serious post in 2 years.  Now you have created a 6th list 
with "the top'o'utah" list, that has quite a number of people posting to it 
now... instead of birdtalk or birdnet, so now I have to waste my time to 
look and see what they have seen on their list.  Utah has no need for 
anymore than 1 (one) listserv.  We don't need this birdtalk and birdnet 
stuff because it doesn't work with so few birders, and less using them to 
post as is.  Add in the local lists and now we have a disjointed system that 
doesn't spread information in an easy way.  We spread out information across 
6 lists.  I don't want to be on 6 different listservs just to hear whats 
being seen around Utah, I also don't want to have to post to 6 different 
lists depending on where I went birding this morning.

You can make any argument you want for having so many lists, but it is 
obvious that THERE IS NO NEED FOR THEM. So because of this I am done posting 
to any of them besides the Salt Lake list, I won't bother sharing my 
sightings with anyone outside of the valley or those on the list.  If you 
think having 6 lists is easier and better than having 1, then I don't even 
know what to say, because it is a bad system as it sits right now. Whats 
next, a Davis County listserv, the West Desert, the Uintah Basin? It's 
overkill.

Let's get rid of all the local lists, kill birdtalk and have one list, the 
UTAH list, we are one state, so why are we separated into a bunch of little 
sects of birders?  Let's share information across the spectrum, instead of 
making it as difficult as possible as it currently is.

peace

Tim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Milt Moody" <miltonmoody at yahoo.com>
To: <slbnet at utahbirds.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:08 PM
Subject: [slbnet] Local Listservs


> Greetings,
>
> Tim asked the question (possibly rhetorical) about why we have some
> many listserv in Utah.  Here's an answer that could possibly explain to
> some degree.
>
> The local listservs were created to handle information about local
> events,  field trips, announcements, questions as well as good (but
> maybe not GREAT) birds, that may not be quite appropriate to send to a
> state-wide audience.
>
> Let's take the Salt Lake Birdnet for example (which is where I'm
> sending this message).  If you want to remind people of a Great Salt
> Lake Audubon meeting, field trip or special event -- you can send the
> message to slbirdnet at utahbirds.org.  If you want to ask questions about
> getting a ride or offering a ride, it may be more appropriate to do
> that locally (though I'm sure people around the state would mind too
> much getting local-type email -- they can just delete them -- no big
> deal), or if you have a question about local events or whether a
> birding place is presently accessible or something like that, the local
> "hotline" may be just the thing.
>
> The "Salt Lake birdnet" hasn't been used to a great degree to this
> point, but it's there with its 131 signed-up members and has the
> potential of being very useful if birders want to take advantage of it.
>
> Good birding,
> Milt Moody
> utahbirds.org webmaster
>
>
> 
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