[reccom] Proposed Bylaw Change

Thu Jan 3 19:25:59 MST 2008

Hello all,

I do agree that it has been great to have 2 very experienced Utah birders on the committee and there insight on voting records will be very difficult to replace. But I think having new blood in at times is also a good thing. 
I don't think any of the new candidates ( not counting David ) have the years of experiences under there belts that Mark and Ron have but I do think that they are all very capable of serving the committee and voting competently on records.
I don't think we should change things at this point and just move forward. I also think it may help people to submit records with change on the committee at times so they don't think the same hierarchy may just shoot down their record.

And like others have said we certainly can invite Mark and Ron to serve again in a couple years.

Larry

> From: kristinpurdy at comcast.net
> To: reccom at utahbirds.org
> Subject: Re: [reccom] Proposed  Bylaw Change 
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:42:13 -0700
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I've been thinking about the proposed term limit changes again. Changes that 
> would affect present elections are starting to needle at me and I wanted to 
> share these thoughts.
> 
> The three new people we're considering for committee membership are willing 
> to serve and likely believe they have a shot at being elected. In fact, they 
> do according to current bylaws because we must fill two vacancies. I 
> consider David's position filled, even if he failed to pay me for my vote as 
> I suggested he do.
> 
> If we change horses mid-stream, I believe the three new candidates have 
> little chance of being elected, which they don't know. What reason would we 
> have not to vote for Mark and Ron, members who have served the committee 
> well and faithfully and have a great deal of expertise?
> 
> You might think my last statement is advocacy for changing term limits now, 
> but it's not. Observing bylaws presently in place does not close the door to 
> Mark's and Ron's future membership if they're willing to serve again. In 
> fact, even if we don't change the term limits for the terms that began on 
> Jan. 1, they can serve again later. I think continuing their contributions 
> to the committee is important in a state that doesn't have a lot of depth in 
> the candidate pool.
> 
> Changing term limits now, however, means that we reduce dramatically the 
> chances of the three new candidates being elected. Changing the rules after 
> this year's election has started (and in fact, should be complete) seems 
> disingenuous to me.
> 
> Kris
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kristin Purdy" <kristinpurdy at comcast.net>
> To: "Utah Bird Records Committee" <reccom at utahbirds.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [reccom] Proposed Bylaw Change
> 
> 
> > Gents,
> >
> > I support the change to the bylaws, but am uncomfortable with a do-over 
> > affecting new terms on which we've already voted and that should have 
> > begun yesterday. I think we should consider changing the bylaws and put 
> > potential changes into play for next year.
> >
> > Kris
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rick Fridell" <rfridell at burgoyne.com>
> > To: "Utah Bird Records Committee" <reccom at utahbirds.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:50 PM
> > Subject: RE: [reccom] Proposed Bylaw Change
> >
> >
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> Terry wrote "Is it too late to consider this bylaw change given where we 
> >> are
> >> in voting to replace them?"
> >>
> >> I'm very sorry I've been out of touch and did not address this sooner. 
> >> When
> >> I went to the voting page, I was sincerely surprised that neither Ron or
> >> Mark were on the ballot. I honestly did not realize that the bylaws were
> >> written to prevent them from remaining on the committee.
> >>
> >> If the committee supports the change, and shares Terry and my concerns, I
> >> would also like to contact Mark and Ron and see if they are willing to
> >> continue to volunteer their time, and if possible put them on the ballot 
> >> and
> >> re-vote.
> >>
> >> What do others think?
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >>
> >> PS I also realized right after I hit send that letter d. under the 
> >> proposed
> >> changes should also be changed to read:
> >>
> >> d. THREE or FOUR Members will be up for reselection or replacement each 
> >> year
> >> (i.e. THREE in year on, FOUR in year two.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: reccom-bounces at utahbirds.org
> >> [mailto:reccom-bounces at utahbirds.org]On Behalf Of Terry Sadler
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:03 PM
> >> To: Utah Bird Records Committee
> >> Subject: [reccom] Proposed Bylaw Change
> >>
> >>
> >> I support the suggested bylaw change proposed by Rick.   I have been
> >> fretting about losing the caliber of review given by Mark and Ron.
> >> While the current candidates to fill their vacancies are knowledgeable,
> >> they lack the depth of experience that Mark and Ron have provided over
> >> the years they have served on the committee.
> >>
> >> Terry
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