[Birdtalk] re: Time for Birders to Flock Together

[B.G. Sloan]

I agree that environmentalism isn't solely a liberal concern...

When I lived in Illinois I disagreed with most of the policy positions of my Republican congressman, but the guy was a true friend of environmentalists. He regularly got high rankings from environmental organizations. 

He even has a Utah environmental connection. The Autumn/Winter 2007 issue of the newsletter of the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance noted that he has been "a friend of Utah wilderness for some time".

Bernie Sloan

--- On Tue, 8/19/08, M. H. Wallace <pooder at xmission.com> wrote:

From: M. H. Wallace <pooder at xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [Birdtalk] re: Time for Birders to Flock Together
To: bgsloan2 at yahoo.com
Cc: "Birdtalk" <Birdtalk at utahbirds.org>, "Pooder M. H. Wallace" <pooder at xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 2:00 PM

I agree that we need lively, respectful, debate on issues.  That seems 
to me to be a valid use of BirdTalk.  (BirdList being for truly rare 
sightings only.)  I emplor BirdTalk to stay open to such respectful debate.

I will add that making concern for environment and habitat as a 
"liberal" issue is nonsense.  The environment is the very air we
breath, 
the water we drink, and the land we live on and grow our food in.  It is 
in every single human being's interest to have a healthy environment.  
It is not just the purview of so-called "liberals."  It just so
happens 
that all non-human creatures on Earth breath the same air, drink the 
same water, and eat from the same land.  The two can not be separated.  
We must move beyond politics and into a holistic view of our planet 
Earth if we are to maintain a healthy and sustainable environment.  
That's my two cents.

Matthew Wallace
East Mill Creek / Salt Lake County

B.G. Sloan wrote:
> Jeff Bilsky said:
>
> "...this whole thing probably would've ended early on with a
simple disagreement between Tim and Steve until a third man entered the fray
with a sarcastic albeit short rant....."
>
> A clarification. If Jeff is referring to my posting about other birding
lists banning people who send posts like the one Mark Stackhouse sent, it
wasn't a rant, and it wasn't sarcasm. I intended it to say that I find
it refreshing that Birdtalk isn't as rigid as some of the other lists I am
on. That's what I meant when I said "Viva la difference".
>
> I've been nearly kicked off two lists for posting notes that seemed
on-topic to me. It's good to see a list that's more open.
>
> Bernie Sloan
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> --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Jeff Bilsky <jbilsky at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Jeff Bilsky <jbilsky at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Birdtalk] re: Time for Birders to Flock Together
> To: Roostertael at aol.com
> Cc: birdtalk at utahbirds.org
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 8:35 AM
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> Maybe it's time for someone to remind us - it would appear that what
you say is not true since from my observation there appear to be two very
divided opinions about what is acceptable. As I recall also, this whole thing
probably would've ended early on with a simple disagreement between Tim and
Steve until a third man entered the fray with a sarcastic albeit short rant.....
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> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:10 AM, <Roostertael at aol.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> Most of us know the intended use of birdnet, birdtalk, and the local
forums. Perhaps it is time for another major forum.    birdrant    Yeah, that
should do it.
>  
> Jack
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> It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel
deal here.
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