[Birdtalk] Re: [IBLE] Hawk Owl, Northern Shrike
Cliff and Lisa Weisse
CliffandLisa at octobersetters.com
Tue Nov 27 08:49:22 MST 2007
I agree. Once it was made public you can't keep people from coming out
so you might as well enjoy showing as many people as possible. For me
the best part of finding something rare is sharing it with others. In
this case I didn't find it but it is just as fun to see their reactions
when people come to see it. If newspapers will print something urging
caution and explaining why that's necessary it might be helpful. Most
people will understand and keep their distance. As for the
photographers trying to get close the best prevention is a bunch of
people standing there watching.
Cliff
Eileen wrote:
>
> No one should feel they erred in reporting this owl. Those who shared
> wanted others to have the opportunity to see thsi fantastic bird. The
> error lies with those who have not been ethical when viewing the bird.
>
> Those who do not know better can be excused. Others, knowing the
> impact, cannot.
>
> What can you do? Contact local newspapers, explain the situation. I
> know the editor for the Idaho Falls paper. I know we could get him to
> understand.
>
> Anyway, you did your best. Don't feel guilty.
>
> Eileen Loerch
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* ible at yahoogroups.com [mailto:ible at yahoogroups.com]*On
> Behalf Of *Dave Mead
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2007 1:12 PM
> *To:* Cliff and Lisa Weisse
> *Cc:* IBLE; Birdtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [IBLE] Hawk Owl, Northern Shrike
>
> Cliff, you've made some valid points. My apologies again for
> contributing to the problem. I'm going to try to get a follow-up
> article in the Pocatello newspaper to address this issue.
>
> When my wife and I went to see the bird, we kept our distance and
> it totally ignored us. It's too bad that a few idiots can ruin it
> for everyone. You are also correct regarding the relationship
> between lack of ethics and bitchiness.
>
> Rude selfish people suck!!!
>
> Dave
>
> On Nov 26, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Cliff and Lisa Weisse wrote:
>
>> Chad Adams wrote:
>>
>> "On 11/23 I went to Beaver Dick park to see the hawk owl. It was
>> there,
>> being photographed (harassed) by three photographers who followed it
>> from tree to tree, making owl and rodent sounds and otherwise
>> bothering
>> it. It was neat to see the owl, and to watch it hunt voles (very
>> successful at that), but not so neat to see the people chasing it
>> around, including one young person whose parents had the kid
>> climb the
>> tree the owl was in. One photographer approached the owl in a
>> tree as
>> it landed next to Hwy 33, causing it to fly out in the road, nearly
>> getting hit."
>>
>> Thanks a lot folks. The reason I originally posted a reminder to
>> use caution and consider the welfare of the bird first is because
>> I watched someone walk right up to the bird and flush it, with
>> camera pointed at it, presumably to capture a flight shot. That
>> person is well know and highly regarded among birders and he knew
>> better. When he realized that I was there to look at the bird he
>> apologized, saying that he didn't realize I was a birder. Would
>> it have been OK if no one had seen him? It's not about the
>> birders and I don't care about my lost opportunity to view the
>> bird on an advantageous perch. I was concerned about the bird
>> being constantly harassed. Maybe that point wasn't made obvious
>> enough? It's not about someone not seeing the bird it's about
>> protecting the owl. I was disappointed that this sighting got
>> posted in a public forum in the first place but it was already
>> too late at that point. Owls generate a huge amount of interest
>> as evidenced by the fact that someone has seen this individual
>> almost every day since it was first reported more than two weeks
>> ago, and the four or five carloads of birders every weekend for
>> two months looking for the Rexburg Snowy Owls. If only one or two
>> people went to see it flushing it wouldn't be that big a deal for
>> the bird (just for the record I wouldn't flush it on purpose then
>> either). But with all the pressure this bird is receiving it's a
>> whole different story. Can we afford to continue to flush this
>> bird over and over? Just for a stupid photograph? I too enjoy
>> taking photos of birds so I understand the desire to get close.
>> But that's not a good reason, in my opinion, to flush a wintering
>> bird like this over and over. And what really pisses me off is
>> that this bird is exceedingly cooperative. You can get very close
>> and capture excellent photos, even with point and shoot digital
>> cameras, so there's no need to push the bird to the point where
>> it flushes. If you want a flight shot that badly then just wait
>> for the bird to fly on its own. Let's use a little common sense
>> and let this bird do its thing without unnecessary interference
>> from us.
>>
>> I propose that we collect names (or make/model of car and license
>> plate-someone will know who it is) from people exhibiting such
>> behavior and post them on this forum so everyone knows who not to
>> tell about vulnerable birds in the future. I'll bet the same
>> people that cause these problems by showing a total disregard for
>> the welfare of the bird will be the first ones to bitch when they
>> find out about the next Snowy or Hawk-Owl long after it's left
>> the area.
>>
>> Cliff
>> --
>> Cliff and Lisa Weisse
>> Island Park, Idaho
>> cliffandlisa at octobersetters.com
>>
>>
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Cliff and Lisa Weisse
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cliffandlisa at octobersetters.com
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