[Birdtalk] Sending hotline messages

[RICHARD JILL WOOD]

Again, Mr. Wiese, you weren't there when I saw the bird that I said was a 
Connecticut Warbler, so how do you know the bird that looked like it was an 
eye ring with a bird attached to it skulking around on the ground that it 
WASN'T a Connecticut Warbler?

If you can prove that it wasn't, I will retract it.  If you can't prove it, 
then SHUT YOUR MOUTH.


YOU HAVE JUST PROVED MY THEORY ABOUT BIRDERS, THAT THEY ARE INSENSITIVE AND 
NON-HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY THE LORD GODS OF LOCAL BIRDING.

Richard


>From: "Cliff and Lisa Weisse" <CliffandLisa at octobersetters.com>
>To: <Birdtalk at utahbirds.org>
>Subject: Re: Re: [Birdtalk] Sending hotline messages
>Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:15:05 -0600
>
>I posted to you personally because I don't feel this
>discussion belongs on Birdtalk and my post specifically
>should not have appeared on this list.  Since you insist on
>bad-mouthing me in public I am going to respond.
>
>As I recall Norm Saunders put you on administrative
>oversight on the MD Osprey list.  That means he reads your
>posts before they make it to the list.  Your senseless
>diatribes stopped immediately after that.  (Milt?)  That's
>awfully unfriendly of those easterners.  Have you noticed
>that everywhere you go (NY, UT, TX, MD) everyone is
>unfriendly except you?  Odd isn't it?  You quit MD Osprey
>because they cut off your ability to post crap like this so
>now you're back here because you haven't been booted from
>this list....yet.
>
>You only have S-I-X years of birding experience and you
>already know everything?  Here are a few beauties you came
>up with that I can remember:
>
>-The famous Western Gulls (yes plural, you told me that you
>saw more than one) at Bear River during breeding season.
>No, there were no Western Gulls breeding at Bear River.
>Mark suggested the same thing I did, California Gull.  I
>even told you that yellow legs could appear pink or orange
>in bad light.  What an odd coincidence that Mark and I both
>chose the same species to suggest that you might have seen.
>That's right, I didn't declare that you didn't see them I
>asked you if you could possibly have seen CA Gulls.  I did
>so off list so it didn't make you look bad.  Do you remember
>your response?  I do.  It was "Nope".  How smug of me.
>
>-You identified basic plumage dowitchers in a photo posted
>on the Birdtalk list as Short-billeds because "they're in
>salt water", and you suggested that that was an under used
>field mark.  You later suggested bill to head ratio as a
>possible field mark for dowitchers.  You're probably the
>only one that's ever thought of that.
>
>-How about the Connecticut Warbler you reported in MD before
>migration even got started?  You'll ignore this but
>Connecticuts are very late migrants as warblers go.  Next
>time pick a more likely candidate if you don't like it when
>someone calls you on it, which of course someone did.
>
>-And my all time favorite.  You posted a request for help
>with ID of a hummingbird you photographed.  I told you I
>thought it was a Black-chinned.  You insisted that it was a
>Broad-billed and even sent a photo of a Broad-billed for
>comparison which I have to admit didn't look the least bit
>like your bird.  Since I don't know hummingbirds very well I
>forwarded the photo to a bander who in turn forwarded it to
>Sherri Williamson, author of Peterson's Field Guide to
>Hummingbirds.  She said the bird is not a Broad-billed and
>explained in detail why it isn't.  She thought it was a
>Black-chinned.  So what did you do?  You submitted the photo
>to UBRC as a Broad-billed Hummingbird.  You know, those
>field guide authors don't really know as much as they think
>they do.
>
>Finally, I never told you that you couldn't see Whimbrels at
>Bear River.  You made a comment out of the blue in one of
>your posts about the Western Gulls dated 5/25/2005.  In
>response to my assertion that WEGUs are extremely rare away
>from the coast you said "Why are there Whimbrels in Utah?"
>My response, in my next note to you after I figured out what
>you meant (which takes some doing for uneducated folk like
>me), was "I see the connection now but I disagree.  There
>are records for Whimbrel in Utah at this time of year.
>Idaho too.  They aren't common but they do occur."  Keep
>your mouth shut if you're not sure of the facts.
>
>You once asked me a question that I chose not to answer
>because I thought it would be insulting to you if I did.
>After you whined about how you knew you'd seen Western Gulls
>you said "Do you think I'm an idiot?"  Since I no longer
>care if you don't like my response I'll answer it now.  On
>second thought maybe I better not.
>
>Have a nice evening.
>
>Cliff
>
>
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