FW: Re: [Birdtalk] Sending hotline messages

[RICHARD JILL WOOD]

I asked that this person NOT email me ever again, yet he did.  Who is the 
childish one?

The truth be told, I don't think that someone saying, "you couldn't have 
seen that..." is being fair or friendly, nor are they trying to help.  They 
weren't present, so how can they help?  Someone please explain that to me.

The fact is, I am NOT a novice.  I've been birding for six years.  S- I-X.

The fact is, I may have made a mistake, but the only person that would know 
that is ME.  M- E.  Not Cliff Wiese, not the exalted Mark Stackhouse, just 
me.

There was nothing sincere about Mark Stackhouse wanting to "help" me.  
Saying to someone, "your ID skills need help..." is NOT offering help.

I quit MD Osprey because they are too unfriendly and unhelpful for my 
tastes, I didn't get kicked off.

Only an idiot would believe a teenage birder over an adult about "you even 
had people from other states who's name you mentioned on MDOsprey writing to 
the list requesting that they not be associated with you", becuase the 
person making that request isn't even the birder I know, only a teenager 
that supposedly "knows" this person.

Arrogance is thinking you know the entire situation when you weren't there, 
which is what this whole thing is all about:  a person's right to NOT be 
told they didn't see something, when they did, and the person that is saying 
that wasn't there.

BTW, Cliff Wiese also told me I couldn't possibly see Whimbrels at Bear 
River; others saw them at Bear River after I reported them.

Richard


>From: "Cliff and Lisa Weisse" <CliffandLisa at octobersetters.com>
>To: <rwoodphd at msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [Birdtalk] Sending hotline messages
>Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:24:36 -0600
>
>Richard,
>
>I did my best to refrain from posting to you as per your request even after 
>you posted my private note on a public list which is at best exceedingly 
>childish.  But you mentioned me to another person in a derogatory way so I 
>am going to respond.  Everyone that questioned your sightings did so in a 
>fair and friendly manner.  They were really trying to help you and the fact 
>is they were right, you didn't see what you said you saw.  Period.  End of 
>discussion.  Your response was to verbally abuse them for daring to suggest 
>that you, Richard Wood (I prefer Dick), might have made a mistake.  You are 
>a novice birder and you will always be a novice birder unless you accept 
>the fact that you don't know everything.  You are the unfriendly asshole, 
>not the people like Mark Stackhouse that sincerely tried to help you.  When 
>you moved back east I told you they wouldn't put up with your crap back 
>there and they didn't.  You got the boot.  You even had people from other 
>states who's name you mentioned on MDOsprey writing to the list requesting 
>that they not be associated with you.  I've never quite seen anything like 
>it.  You have been the butt of many (and I mean MANY) jokes not because you 
>are a novice or you made a mistake, rather because you are an arrogant 
>jerk.  Many people have told you that before but you choose to ignore it.  
>They aren't lying.  They're serious and they're right.  I truly hope that 
>Milt takes Steve Carr's advice to remove you from the list.  You've chosen 
>to contribute nothing.
>
>I am going to black list your email address after you've had a chance to 
>respond to this note.  One response.  And you have my word that I will not 
>use this email address again unless you choose to continue this discussion. 
>  The offer I made to you in Feb stands.  Next time I'm in NJ I'll be glad 
>to arrange to meet with you if you'd rather discuss this in person.
>
>Good birding.  Have a nice day.  Adios.
>
>Cliff

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