[Birdtalk] Re: [Birdnet] Red-shouldered Hawk... MAYBE NOT

[Connie McManus]

I am not the most experienced of birders, but when I saw the Farmington
RSHA, it had the roufus breast with white barring, the white cresents on the
wings and streaking on the underwings.  When I look at the photos of RSHA
and RTHA in the utahbirds.org bird guide, what I saw in Farmington matches
very closely- to the best of my memory - with the photos in utahbirds.org.
I have zillions of RTHA s around my house and I'm very familiar with them.
What I saw in Farmington was not one of them.  As I read this debate, I have
to ask --- are we all looking at the same bird?

My opinions are based on the numerous RTHAs I've seen around my house for
many years vs what I saw at Farmington and have made comparisons with the
bird guides.   I realize I'm not an absolute expert on these things, I am
merely voicing my observations and thoughts, all of which are subject to
change upon enlightenment. *g*

Connie McManus

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 9:36 PM, MarJean Muhlestein <wingsnwind at msn.com>
wrote:

>  I have a question...It is my understanding that ALL Red-tailed hawks have
> a dark bar on leading edge of underwing that is present even on the
> juveniles. In the flight photo that Tim has, I only see streaking lines not
> a dark bar. Please inform me otherwise.
> MarJean
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Tim Avery <tanager at timaverybirding.com>
> *To:* birdtalk at utahbirds.org
> *Cc:* birdnet at utahbirds.org
> *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2008 1:49 PM
> *Subject:* [Birdnet] Red-shouldered Hawk... MAYBE NOT
>
> So it has been brought to my attention by an  exceptional birder, that the
> bird in Farmington may not be a Red-shouldered Hawk.  This person has viewed
> the pictures I took, and has also photographed the bird in question, and
> based off their experience, has ID'd the bird as a Red-tailed Hawk.
>
> That said, why don't some of the local experts weigh in with their
> thoughts.  Rick, Larry, Kris (you don;t have to since you already did ;) ),
> Mark, David, Colby?
>
> Also if anyone has GOOD pictures of the bird that would probably be
> helpful.  Mine are here, but were all in bad light:
>
> http://www.timaverybirding.com/photos/thumbnails.php?album=508
>
> I personally thought the bird looked like a Red-shouldered based off the
> wing pattern, size and shape, but the person in question is no stranger to
> birds of prey and someone I trust very much so in this situation.  They
> don't want to get involved, but I thought I would pass on the concerns since
> so many have gone to see this bird.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim
> Salt Lake City, Utah
> tanager at timaverybirding.com
> http://www.timaverybirding.com
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Connie McManus
Nibley, Cache County, Utah
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